I'd like to find a converse to the statement about movies having agendas, but I don't believe movies are even written these days without a message. Writers want to be artists and express something more than a cool story with cool characters. More pertinent to Bill and Ted, those movies always had a message: be excellent and party on, dudes! Do you like the movie Jurassic Park? Message: humans tampering with technology and biology before they contemplate all the ramifications. Matrix? Message: do we control technology or technology controls us? Robocop 1? Message. Alien movies? Message. Equilibrium? Message. I'm not saying you can't make a movie without a message or that these movies can be enjoyed without realizing a message, just that when you start examining the hits, you can find meaning in the writing more than the diagetic story the characters undergo. I go into movies wide-eyed and wonderful with as little knowledge of plot and people's takes. I decide what entertains me. Fuck being cynical.
Shoes are way overpriced. We know they make these in sweatshops in China from newspaper scraps and apple cores so why do they charge Air Jordan prices? I'd be comfortable paying $15-$30 for shoes that last a year or so.
You're right! That punk does have a very punchable face. I'll encourage you to check out the PC route if only to give you experience with the pros and cons. You can re-use a lot of parts when upgrading; however, those old parts plummet in price. They start to climb again when things disappear from the market. Look for old DOS machines or parts for those computers and get ready to pay for authentic hardware. The latest hardware is way more expensive than what you find in a console.
Also, research reliability in manufacturers. Consoles are built for pushing games, but I've noticed PC parts fail sooner if pushed. It may be better now. I haven't built a PC for gaming in a while. It's actually gotten a lot easier to build a PC, but to a noob, I understand how overwhelming it can be.
It's also easier to multi-task on a PC vs console. You can stream, play, write a paper, browse the net, punch Bonzi Buddies all in the same window.
Finally, my take is that the games shared on PC and consoles are built to run well on those platforms. PC's advantage is that it can push higher resolutions and smoother frame rates if you have the top hardware. Game consoles have things stripped to make them run better. However, if you squint your eyes, you're getting the same experience on console that you are getting on a custom-built PC. Consoles do have those shiny exclusives. However, devs have easier access to PCs vs becoming a registered console developer. You will encounter 220 bazillion tons of games on PC vs what has passed regulation on consoles. You can get lost in the amount of free time-wasters there.
I never read the Robocop vs Terminator comics, but I think the plot is Robocop starts fighting Terminators then gets shot out of commission only to be brought online again decades later by a human resistance in a Terminator-ridden wasteland. I think there's something about his face getting eaten away over the years so he's basically a skull, brain, spine, and a couple of sinewy tendons under that dome. Very metal!
Terminator and Terminator 2 were the best. T4 was an entirely different feel but enjoyable. It didn't give me the same vibes as T2's future scenes, but hey, you have giant robots and robot cycles. That one gets hate, but it's a decent action movie. If you see the Terminator movie that came out last year, it has some cool future stuff. It's crazy what they did in the beginning with John Connor and Sarah. Tech has really come that far.
BTW, you flubbed my comment in the last episode. Normally when you do this, I'm alright with letting it slide for the other listener, but I hear Earthworm Jim say, "Groovy!," like he does at the end of stages, not Jim Carrey. Carrey's a character and all, and I'm sure he's said groovy in a movie, but that line rings Earthworm Jim in my ears.
I may or may not read this on the air, but I asked some guy on a forum "what would be a powerful enough PC build to play PlayStation 3 & XBOX 360 games" and I got this. Figured I'd leave this here and if anybody had anything to chime in on it, that would be cool.
Hardware, like every other thing in retail during the covid ages, is going up in price. Stock output is slower. Shipping is slower. All these things factor into price.
If you get an i3, you will be sorry. Get an i7. You can get an older one and still be fine. An i7 37xx or 4xx should be fine. The xx are stand-ins for numbers. As an example, i7 4700s. Letters at the end also mean something. 4700k is a chip that is unlocked by the manufacturer if you want to overclock it without going through other methods. I recommend buying an s as they draw less power since they are made that way. They may be more expensive since having a lot of power while drawing less watts is a feature.
I recommend 20GB RAM. I used to run 16GB, but I couldn't open 500 internet windows without some loss in performance. I kid, but I did notice a big difference going from 16GB to 20GB.
You neglected to list a graphics card. I recommend a 1080 mini Nvidia card since you are rocking a mATX case and want to run PS3 / 360 era games at 1080 resolution or higher
OS? Really? You pay retail? HA! Well you don't know. Look up Windows 10 Pro license on ebay. I think I paid less than $10 for mine. It's legit. I don't get warnings about pirate OS.
On your old computer: You download Windows 10 from the official Microsoft website. You double-click the exe and go through the setup. It will ask you whether you want to create a bootable media or something like that. It will then put it on the thumbstick. I think the thumbstick has to be at least 8GB. Once your PC is built, before you do anything, power it on and check the BIOS settings. Usually you tap escape, delete, tab, or one of the function keys to boot into the BIOS setup. It will say which key onscreen when you boot.
In the BIOS, you will have to check your boot drive order. Make sure Boot from USB is higher than Boot from HD.
On your newly built PC, before booting, you put the thumbsick in a usb port and it will boot from that.
One other thing you should be aware of is needing thermal paste for your CPU. I recommend Arctic Silver. Go check their site for info and what type they recommend for your CPU. Also, follow their directions about the amount and where to apply the paste on the top of the CPU once you install it on the board. You CAN fuck this up so don't.
After that, you will have to lower the heatsink and fan mount on top of the installed CPU. You have to have NASA precision with this. Take it slow. Do not twist once you touchdown. Just lower it straight down.
I copy and pasted that random forum guy's list to me, the spending 100 dollars on Windows 10 which I'm pretty sure I could get for free was my first red flag.
Also the i3 thing, since my "good laptop" (sans not being able to close it and it mostly sits in a corner) says i5 on it, was another red flag.
The reviews for the Samsung SSD I saw had many grown men's balls exploding with semen, so that is good, also glad to hear the power supply is good.
You can see why when my options are:
1. Teaching Myself Rocket Science.
2. Buying a Pre-Built PC Which Is 90% A LED Gay Pride Parade and 10% Running Windows 98
or
3. Going To Get Target To Get A Plug And Play XBOX That Will Run Any Game For The Next 8 Years.
....that going with the console life is easiest option.
Thanks for some feed back and I'll still be doing a lot more thinking about it.
Is this the graphics card you mentioned? that bad boy is currently listed for $350, I was kind of aiming for a $400-$600 dollar PC if I could. How did ole Chiptune Charlie CF build his gaming PC for $400?
Yep, all PC component are going up in price since production has slowed. That graphics card I suggested is old but still in demand. You can expect to pay $100+ for a used card.
There are multiple manufacturers of graphics cards. It's equivalent to the 3DO console where Goldstar made their 3DO, Panasonic made their 3DO, and I'm sure there were others. Graphics card manufacturers off the top of my head include ASUS, EVGA, ZOTAC, PNY, and others.
You can compare graphics cards using this site: http://gpuboss.com/compare-gpus
Another thing that may factor into price over the long term is power usage. The CPUs have gotten better at power efficiency but I am uncertain about the rest of the PC. I haven't done research on this in a while. Videogame consoles are built to be efficient. That's how Sony got rid of their power bricks. It may tip the factor in price over the long term. These are imaginary numbers, but let's say $50 to game on a console vs $100 on a PC over the course of a year. Of course my numbers are inflated since I'm paying 4-5x the national average in electricity charges here in the United Soviet States of California where they will pay for your bad decision making to have a kid when your poor-ass broke. I'm so angry at what I'm paying for rent.
It's out of stock right not, but what are your thoughts on this puppy, it's $400 and pre-built, so that's like my dream case scenario.
-Could it run a modern-ish game like Dead By Daylight?
-Could it run PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360 games?
-Could it at least run Dreamcast/GameCube/PS2/OG XBOX games?
I'm not sure if they'll catch this episode but it would be awesome Citrus Drop Swingle, Chiptunes CF, or The Berlin Beast chimed their thoughts on this thread.
No, bad. Not enough RAM. Again, graphics card? It could probably handle DC, GC, PS2, XBox games BUILT FOR PC (ie ports to PC) during that era. It would not handle emulation well. I still see people having difficulty with those games on better builds. PS3/360 ports to PC could run on low, medium settings 720p. 8GB is really low.
I have no idea about a graphics card, seems like something that would be in there?? lol I'll try not to be defeated and keep researching, but ya the idea of running back in to the arms of my precious XBOX brand sounds pretty good right now.
I believe Sony drops their price in a hour from now, curious to see what they've got up their sleeve, MIGHT record a segment tonight on it....
If a graphics card is not listed, then the system runs on embedded graphics, usually built into the CPU or the motherboard. These will run a lot of applications, but if you want to run PS3 / 360 era games, you will need a dedicated graphics solution - a graphics card.
Traditionally, the things that will run you the highest in PC builds are CPU and GPU (graphics card). You shouldn't have to worry about ultra-specific types of RAM which can cost an arm and your three legs. You can get compatible RAM made by a good manufacturer like Corsair and be done. Good RAM manufacturers have lifetime warranties, meaning they will replace the RAM for free if it dies. SSD were coming down in price but covid slowed that.
If you don't mind buying used parts, maybe you could check out local classifieds like Nextdoor or Offerup. I think the "zoomers" are more familiar with the Offerup so they generally charge more for things cause they know better and know that Offerup is a totally legit way to run a business. The people selling on Nextdoor are better. They're mostly like Fred Rogers when it comes to selling things. Their political discussions, at least around here, are sullied by the communist dictators who want to censor and ban everything. Just buy or pickup free stuff there and don't engage in the other nonsense.
Also, original XBox emulators are nonexistent. I think there were some emulators started up around the time of the system but never got anywhere. It seems like a no-brainer in the world of emulation since I believe the XBox is close to PC architecture, though I'm not sure. If that is true, why haven't the emulation geniuses cracked it by now?
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1650 4 GB DUAL OC Video Card ($153.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $744.87
I went back to that forum and asked what I needed to build a Dead By Daylight Machine and the same guy gave me the same parts as before, this time he just added a graphics cards.
I told him I shared his previous build with a guy and the guy said the build wasn't dank. lol
for this kind of a budget, i wouldn't go intel CPU.
I would get a ryzen 5 3600 ( A very solid cpu ) and a board to match (B450) (180 bucks)
If you are able to get parts second hand, then even better. I would go with a used gtx 1060 if possible. can be picked up for around 150 bucks.
Memory i would get 16GB of DDR4 to go with what the board chosen supports, most likely 2666 - 3200MHZ ( 60 bucks second hand, 110 new ish )
I would then pick up a 240gb ssd and a 500GB hdd, both can be found for relatively cheap.
Case, get whatever suits your needs and what the board fits, look at some reviews online though.
PSU i would get a 500W. Should be plenty for the hardware being used. DONT GET THIS SECOND HAND OR A CHEAP ONE, A GOOD 500W PSU CAN BE HAD FOR AROUND 90 BUCKS NEW.
Use PC partpicker to make sure all parts chosen are compatible.
If you have money spare, you can spend more on possibly a better GPU or peripherals, case ETC.
^this is from another forum where I asked about a DbD build, I am sort of just using this old comment section to remember all of this gibber lol
I'd like to find a converse to the statement about movies having agendas, but I don't believe movies are even written these days without a message. Writers want to be artists and express something more than a cool story with cool characters. More pertinent to Bill and Ted, those movies always had a message: be excellent and party on, dudes!
ReplyDeleteDo you like the movie Jurassic Park? Message: humans tampering with technology and biology before they contemplate all the ramifications.
Matrix? Message: do we control technology or technology controls us?
Robocop 1? Message. Alien movies? Message. Equilibrium? Message.
I'm not saying you can't make a movie without a message or that these movies can be enjoyed without realizing a message, just that when you start examining the hits, you can find meaning in the writing more than the diagetic story the characters undergo.
I go into movies wide-eyed and wonderful with as little knowledge of plot and people's takes. I decide what entertains me. Fuck being cynical.
Shoes are way overpriced. We know they make these in sweatshops in China from newspaper scraps and apple cores so why do they charge Air Jordan prices? I'd be comfortable paying $15-$30 for shoes that last a year or so.
You're right! That punk does have a very punchable face. I'll encourage you to check out the PC route if only to give you experience with the pros and cons. You can re-use a lot of parts when upgrading; however, those old parts plummet in price. They start to climb again when things disappear from the market. Look for old DOS machines or parts for those computers and get ready to pay for authentic hardware. The latest hardware is way more expensive than what you find in a console.
Also, research reliability in manufacturers. Consoles are built for pushing games, but I've noticed PC parts fail sooner if pushed. It may be better now. I haven't built a PC for gaming in a while. It's actually gotten a lot easier to build a PC, but to a noob, I understand how overwhelming it can be.
It's also easier to multi-task on a PC vs console. You can stream, play, write a paper, browse the net, punch Bonzi Buddies all in the same window.
Finally, my take is that the games shared on PC and consoles are built to run well on those platforms. PC's advantage is that it can push higher resolutions and smoother frame rates if you have the top hardware. Game consoles have things stripped to make them run better. However, if you squint your eyes, you're getting the same experience on console that you are getting on a custom-built PC. Consoles do have those shiny exclusives. However, devs have easier access to PCs vs becoming a registered console developer. You will encounter 220 bazillion tons of games on PC vs what has passed regulation on consoles. You can get lost in the amount of free time-wasters there.
I never read the Robocop vs Terminator comics, but I think the plot is Robocop starts fighting Terminators then gets shot out of commission only to be brought online again decades later by a human resistance in a Terminator-ridden wasteland. I think there's something about his face getting eaten away over the years so he's basically a skull, brain, spine, and a couple of sinewy tendons under that dome. Very metal!
Terminator and Terminator 2 were the best. T4 was an entirely different feel but enjoyable. It didn't give me the same vibes as T2's future scenes, but hey, you have giant robots and robot cycles. That one gets hate, but it's a decent action movie. If you see the Terminator movie that came out last year, it has some cool future stuff. It's crazy what they did in the beginning with John Connor and Sarah. Tech has really come that far.
BTW, you flubbed my comment in the last episode. Normally when you do this, I'm alright with letting it slide for the other listener, but I hear Earthworm Jim say, "Groovy!," like he does at the end of stages, not Jim Carrey. Carrey's a character and all, and I'm sure he's said groovy in a movie, but that line rings Earthworm Jim in my ears.
ReplyDeleteI may or may not read this on the air, but I asked some guy on a forum "what would be a powerful enough PC build to play PlayStation 3 & XBOX 360 games" and I got this. Figured I'd leave this here and if anybody had anything to chime in on it, that would be cool.
ReplyDeleteCPU: Intel Core i3-10100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($121.70 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B460M-A Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($99.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 CL16 Memory ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Adorama)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $599.64
Hardware, like every other thing in retail during the covid ages, is going up in price. Stock output is slower. Shipping is slower. All these things factor into price.
ReplyDeleteIf you get an i3, you will be sorry. Get an i7. You can get an older one and still be fine. An i7 37xx or 4xx should be fine. The xx are stand-ins for numbers. As an example, i7 4700s. Letters at the end also mean something. 4700k is a chip that is unlocked by the manufacturer if you want to overclock it without going through other methods. I recommend buying an s as they draw less power since they are made that way. They may be more expensive since having a lot of power while drawing less watts is a feature.
I recommend 20GB RAM. I used to run 16GB, but I couldn't open 500 internet windows without some loss in performance. I kid, but I did notice a big difference going from 16GB to 20GB.
SSD yes. Samsung oooh. NVME...I'm cumming *pvip* *pvip* *pvip* *pvip* *pvip* *pvip* *pvip*
Nice power supply.
You neglected to list a graphics card. I recommend a 1080 mini Nvidia card since you are rocking a mATX case and want to run PS3 / 360 era games at 1080 resolution or higher
OS? Really? You pay retail? HA! Well you don't know. Look up Windows 10 Pro license on ebay. I think I paid less than $10 for mine. It's legit. I don't get warnings about pirate OS.
On your old computer:
You download Windows 10 from the official Microsoft website.
You double-click the exe and go through the setup.
It will ask you whether you want to create a bootable media or something like that.
It will then put it on the thumbstick. I think the thumbstick has to be at least 8GB.
Once your PC is built, before you do anything, power it on and check the BIOS settings. Usually you tap escape, delete, tab, or one of the function keys to boot into the BIOS setup. It will say which key onscreen when you boot.
In the BIOS, you will have to check your boot drive order. Make sure Boot from USB is higher than Boot from HD.
On your newly built PC, before booting, you put the thumbsick in a usb port and it will boot from that.
One other thing you should be aware of is needing thermal paste for your CPU. I recommend Arctic Silver. Go check their site for info and what type they recommend for your CPU. Also, follow their directions about the amount and where to apply the paste on the top of the CPU once you install it on the board. You CAN fuck this up so don't.
After that, you will have to lower the heatsink and fan mount on top of the installed CPU. You have to have NASA precision with this. Take it slow. Do not twist once you touchdown. Just lower it straight down.
I copy and pasted that random forum guy's list to me, the spending 100 dollars on Windows 10 which I'm pretty sure I could get for free was my first red flag.
DeleteAlso the i3 thing, since my "good laptop" (sans not being able to close it and it mostly sits in a corner) says i5 on it, was another red flag.
The reviews for the Samsung SSD I saw had many grown men's balls exploding with semen, so that is good, also glad to hear the power supply is good.
You can see why when my options are:
1. Teaching Myself Rocket Science.
2. Buying a Pre-Built PC Which Is 90% A LED Gay Pride Parade and 10% Running Windows 98
or
3. Going To Get Target To Get A Plug And Play XBOX That Will Run Any Game For The Next 8 Years.
....that going with the console life is easiest option.
Thanks for some feed back and I'll still be doing a lot more thinking about it.
NVIDIA Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1080 8GB Mini ITX 8G VR Ready Graphic Card
DeleteIs this the graphics card you mentioned? that bad boy is currently listed for $350, I was kind of aiming for a $400-$600 dollar PC if I could. How did ole Chiptune Charlie CF build his gaming PC for $400?
*blood starts to drip from right ear*
Yep, all PC component are going up in price since production has slowed. That graphics card I suggested is old but still in demand. You can expect to pay $100+ for a used card.
DeleteThere are multiple manufacturers of graphics cards. It's equivalent to the 3DO console where Goldstar made their 3DO, Panasonic made their 3DO, and I'm sure there were others. Graphics card manufacturers off the top of my head include ASUS, EVGA, ZOTAC, PNY, and others.
You can compare graphics cards using this site: http://gpuboss.com/compare-gpus
Another thing that may factor into price over the long term is power usage. The CPUs have gotten better at power efficiency but I am uncertain about the rest of the PC. I haven't done research on this in a while. Videogame consoles are built to be efficient. That's how Sony got rid of their power bricks. It may tip the factor in price over the long term. These are imaginary numbers, but let's say $50 to game on a console vs $100 on a PC over the course of a year. Of course my numbers are inflated since I'm paying 4-5x the national average in electricity charges here in the United Soviet States of California where they will pay for your bad decision making to have a kid when your poor-ass broke. I'm so angry at what I'm paying for rent.
*Acer Aspire TC-885-UA91 Desktop
ReplyDelete-CPU: i3-9100
-Clock: 3.6 GHz
-RAM: 8GB DDR4
-SSD: 512 GB
https://www.easypc.io/budget-pcs/400/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DB5JBP9/ref=twister_B08C3K3WHB?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
It's out of stock right not, but what are your thoughts on this puppy, it's $400 and pre-built, so that's like my dream case scenario.
-Could it run a modern-ish game like Dead By Daylight?
-Could it run PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360 games?
-Could it at least run Dreamcast/GameCube/PS2/OG XBOX games?
I'm not sure if they'll catch this episode but it would be awesome Citrus Drop Swingle, Chiptunes CF, or The Berlin Beast chimed their thoughts on this thread.
No, bad. Not enough RAM. Again, graphics card? It could probably handle DC, GC, PS2, XBox games BUILT FOR PC (ie ports to PC) during that era. It would not handle emulation well. I still see people having difficulty with those games on better builds. PS3/360 ports to PC could run on low, medium settings 720p. 8GB is really low.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea about a graphics card, seems like something that would be in there?? lol I'll try not to be defeated and keep researching, but ya the idea of running back in to the arms of my precious XBOX brand sounds pretty good right now.
DeleteI believe Sony drops their price in a hour from now, curious to see what they've got up their sleeve, MIGHT record a segment tonight on it....
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DeleteIf a graphics card is not listed, then the system runs on embedded graphics, usually built into the CPU or the motherboard. These will run a lot of applications, but if you want to run PS3 / 360 era games, you will need a dedicated graphics solution - a graphics card.
DeleteTraditionally, the things that will run you the highest in PC builds are CPU and GPU (graphics card). You shouldn't have to worry about ultra-specific types of RAM which can cost an arm and your three legs. You can get compatible RAM made by a good manufacturer like Corsair and be done. Good RAM manufacturers have lifetime warranties, meaning they will replace the RAM for free if it dies. SSD were coming down in price but covid slowed that.
If you don't mind buying used parts, maybe you could check out local classifieds like Nextdoor or Offerup. I think the "zoomers" are more familiar with the Offerup so they generally charge more for things cause they know better and know that Offerup is a totally legit way to run a business. The people selling on Nextdoor are better. They're mostly like Fred Rogers when it comes to selling things. Their political discussions, at least around here, are sullied by the communist dictators who want to censor and ban everything. Just buy or pickup free stuff there and don't engage in the other nonsense.
Also, original XBox emulators are nonexistent. I think there were some emulators started up around the time of the system but never got anywhere. It seems like a no-brainer in the world of emulation since I believe the XBox is close to PC architecture, though I'm not sure. If that is true, why haven't the emulation geniuses cracked it by now?
ReplyDeleteCPU: Intel Core i3-10100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($119.95 @ Amazon)
ReplyDeleteMotherboard: Asus PRIME B460M-A Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($99.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 CL16 Memory ($63.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1650 4 GB DUAL OC Video Card ($153.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $744.87
I went back to that forum and asked what I needed to build a Dead By Daylight Machine and the same guy gave me the same parts as before, this time he just added a graphics cards.
I told him I shared his previous build with a guy and the guy said the build wasn't dank. lol
for this kind of a budget, i wouldn't go intel CPU.
ReplyDeleteI would get a ryzen 5 3600 ( A very solid cpu ) and a board to match (B450) (180 bucks)
If you are able to get parts second hand, then even better. I would go with a used gtx 1060 if possible.
can be picked up for around 150 bucks.
Memory i would get 16GB of DDR4 to go with what the board chosen supports, most likely 2666 - 3200MHZ ( 60 bucks second hand, 110 new ish )
I would then pick up a 240gb ssd and a 500GB hdd, both can be found for relatively cheap.
Case, get whatever suits your needs and what the board fits, look at some reviews online though.
PSU i would get a 500W. Should be plenty for the hardware being used. DONT GET THIS SECOND HAND OR A CHEAP ONE, A GOOD 500W PSU CAN BE HAD FOR AROUND 90 BUCKS NEW.
Use PC partpicker to make sure all parts chosen are compatible.
If you have money spare, you can spend more on possibly a better GPU or peripherals, case ETC.
^this is from another forum where I asked about a DbD build, I am sort of just using this old comment section to remember all of this gibber lol